INTERVIEW: Ken Watanabe and Rinko Kikuchi on the Making of 'Shanghai'
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March 2, 2015

INTERVIEW: Ken Watanabe and Rinko Kikuchi on the Making of 'Shanghai'


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With a cast including John Cusack, Gong Li, and Chow Yun-fat, the film "Shanghai," featuring Japan's leading actors Ken Watanabe and Rinko Kikuchi, has already generated significant buzz prior to its release. Set against the backdrop of the eve of the Pacific War, the film unfolds a thrilling narrative of strategy, complex human relationships, and shifting history among individuals from differing standpoints—American, Chinese, and Japanese—drawing viewers into the "Paris of the East" with its relentless pace. We sat down with Ken Watanabe and Rinko Kikuchi, who star in "Shanghai," to discuss the behind-the-scenes aspects of the film.


Text by OPENERSPhotos by Kenta Suzuki




──Did the historical context of World War II influence your approach to your roles?

WatanabeI think there's always an element of internationalism and universality on any set. However, precisely because of this historical backdrop, you can see the national flags behind each character. What felt a bit different for me this time was that, usually, I'd imagine an Asian person stepping into Western culture, but here, it was a Westerner stepping into Asian culture. That was a fresh sensation.



KikuchiThe resolve to head to the battlefield, the spirit of men—these are things I can only imagine, not truly know. I always create a backstory for my characters, a sense of their journey leading up to that point, even if it's not depicted in the film. For Sumiko, I imagined she came to Shanghai with dreams and hopes. But caught in the currents of the era, she chooses the path of a prostitute, yet still experiences love as a human being... she's a tragic figure.


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She becomes a key figure in the story, and a certain incident causes her to be swept further into tragedy. I wasn't consciously thinking about the specific historical movements leading up to the Pacific War; my focus was elsewhere.

WatanabeThe overall character dynamics are similar. While there's the grand framework of "war," the film depicts incredibly personal aspects of each individual.

KikuchiPortraying someone addicted to something, in a state of obsession, was very difficult. Whether it's love or opium, playing a character consumed by something requires a peculiar kind of concentration, different from the usual. In that sense, I felt something new was born within me.

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WatanabeThe man I play, Tanaka, is a very cold and meticulous individual who doesn't readily show his emotions, perhaps due to the historical context and the heavy responsibilities he carries. However, in the end, what he has long kept hidden within his heart overflows as if a dam has broken.

But playing such a cold character and then suddenly erupting with emotion felt quite abrupt.



So, in consultation with the director, I focused on subtle details in seemingly insignificant scenes or during casual conversations—the way he looked, his positioning within the frame. I wanted to subtly plant a "poisonous needle" in the audience's mind, hinting at what he was carrying.




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The director didn't say much, which made me anxious



──It's a highly mysterious story with unpredictable twists. What was the atmosphere like on set?

WatanabeSince each character doesn't reveal their inner thoughts, there was always an interesting dynamic of "Oh, so that's how you're playing it?" and then figuring out how to respond. It was a constant game of probing (laughs). But everyone was deeply committed to their roles within this situation, so the atmosphere on set wasn't exactly relaxed. It wasn't tense, but rather, we maintained our characters' positions. When in costume on set, it wasn't a time for casual conversation.

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© 2009 TWC Asian Film Fund, LLC. All rights reserved.





KikuchiIt was about 50-something days, wasn't it? The actual filming was surprisingly short. Director Mikael Håfström didn't say much, which paradoxically made me anxious and allowed for intense concentration. I had only worked with directors who gave detailed instructions before (laughs), so when he said nothing, I started to worry, "Am I doing okay...?" Later, he told me, "I didn't say anything because Rinko was concentrating so hard, and I didn't want to break that focus."

A Director's Background Greatly Influences the Set's Atmosphere





WatanabeHe really observes the actors. A director's background significantly impacts the atmosphere on set. For instance, a director from Osaka might bring a Latin flair, while a Spanish director would be lively. Christopher Nolan, on "Batman Begins" and "Inception," was very logical and had that typically British, cynical feel. Mikael Håfström, though from Sweden, isn't from one of the so-called "major powers" in the world; he feels like he's from a somewhat distant European country.


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Perhaps that's why he didn't approach things like national identities with stereotypes, like "this is how it is." He seemed to genuinely try to understand our perspectives, asking, "What do you think?" regarding our cultural backgrounds, values, and character standpoints.

KikuchiIn fact, I thought directors like him might provoke actors more. It felt like he knew what he was doing. Actors are really influenced by their directors... I'm particularly affected, so this was quite a fresh experience.

WatanabeSweden is a cold region, isn't it? With four or five months of intense cold each year. I'm from Niigata, so I understand that feeling of prolonged gloom during winter. That kind of environment influences one's spirituality, and I felt a connection with him on that level. You could say, "melancholy" (laughs)? I felt a kinship with his unique logical approach, which made him easy to talk to.

A Different Approach to Trying



──As two internationally acclaimed actors representing Japan, what were your impressions of each other during this collaboration?

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WatanabeThe character of Sumiko increasingly deviates from normalcy, and I imagine there were many demanding scenes. Maintaining that "extraordinary" state requires immense concentration and a certain "physical stamina" as an actor. I felt she has truly been honed through various roles.

KikuchiMr. Watanabe has a grand presence, and he holds his own alongside international actors... though it's not really my place to say that (laughs).



So, when he stands alongside John Cusack, there's no sense of incongruity. In that regard, I truly felt he is an international actor, and his approach to taking on challenges is different. Also, watching his interactions with the director was very educational; I learned a lot.

WatanabeI didn't realize John Cusack was that tall (laughs).




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What Awaits Is Beyond Your Imagination



──As actors, what differences do you perceive between Japanese and international productions?

WatanabeThe biggest difference, I believe, is the market scale. In this film, for example, I, as a Japanese actor, do my best to try various things within the completed script. But when this film is shown in China, how will my role be perceived? In Korea? In a way, that goes beyond my scope and links to that country's history. However, if I were to be too conscious of that and deliver a softened performance, it wouldn't fit the story. I strongly feel that the "destination" it reaches can be received in ways beyond my imagination. I don't think about that while filming, but when I hear about the reactions afterward, I realize, "Ah, I see, that's how they see it."



During "Letters from Iwo Jima," there's the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which has Golden Globe voting rights. At a press conference, a Korean reporter asked, "What do you think about Japan's actions during the war?"

I was truly surprised. It had no relation to this film... I thought, "Are they really going to ask that here!?" (laughs). I did, of course, state my opinion about the film and Iwo Jima.


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Film Transcends Borders, History, and Ideology



But after the press conference, while having a light meal, the Korean reporter approached me and said, "I'm sorry about earlier. I had to ask, given my position..." At that moment, I understood. Everyone carries their own country with them.

Indeed, there's one's country and one's position in the background. But film is something that encompasses all of that. Film transcends those things—countries, history, ideologies. The Hollywood market has expanded worldwide. Of course, I'm completely absorbed when I'm filming and don't think about any of that (laughs).

──Thank you very much.


"Shanghai" - Now Playing at Marunouchi Piccadilly and Theaters Nationwide



SHANGHAI
Now Playing at Marunouchi Piccadilly and Theaters Nationwide
Director: Mikael Håfström
Cast: John Cusack, Gong Li, Chow Yun-fat, Rinko Kikuchi, Ken Watanabe
Distributor: Gaga Corp. Powered by Humax Cinemas
http://shanghai.gaga.ne.jp/
© 2009 TWC Asian Film Fund, LLC. All rights reserved.




A Suspense Epic Set in Pre-War Shanghai, Where Conspiracy and Love Collide!



Shanghai, 1941. Britain, France, America, and Japan held concessions, vying for control of this alluring yet dangerous "Paris of the East." Paul Soames (John Cusack), an American intelligence agent who arrives in Shanghai, races to uncover the truth behind the death of his close friend and colleague, Connor. The investigation leads him to a cast of enigmatic figures: Colonel Tanaka (Ken Watanabe) of the Japanese army, who relentlessly pursues Paul; Sumiko (Rinko Kikuchi), Connor's lover who suddenly disappears; and Anthony (Chow Yun-fat), the kingpin of the Chinese underworld, along with his beautiful wife, Anna (Gong Li). Paul soon discovers Anna's hidden identity as a revolutionary leader and finds himself strongly drawn to her idealistic spirit. Meanwhile, the aircraft carrier "Kaga," which Connor was investigating, secretly departs Shanghai's harbor carrying 800-kilogram torpedoes. What crucial secret did Connor possess that was worth dying for?

Soames can no longer suppress his feelings for Anna. Anthony, despite knowing his wife's secrets, is determined to protect her with his life. Tanaka relentlessly pursues Anna. Was Sumiko a spy for America or Japan?──? The key to unlocking all the mysteries lay in the "love" of these men.